Gender Pill

topic posted Thu, December 20, 2007 - 12:39 PM by  heather
The other topic i wanted to post about (besides roommmate interviews)...

I've heard there's some pill now to repress traumatic experieces for PTSD (post traumatic stress disorder).

So if scientists one day managed to come up with a pill that could make your gender the same as your body (rather than a sex change), would you take it or transition anyway (for those that would consider transition)?

Just thought i'd stir up some interesting discussion on here as it's been pretty dead lately...

Ho, ho, ho, :)

-Heather
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heather
Portland
  • Re: Gender Pill

    Thu, December 20, 2007 - 12:58 PM
    I think that I very well might still transition. Despite the numerous inconveniences, transsexualism can turn out to be a lucky malfunction. So many people have no idea how to make themselves happy in life or be able to achieve it. So transitioning is a blessing in disguise because what will make me happy is taken for granted by so many. Who would want a pill that took this away?
    • Re: Gender Pill

      Thu, December 20, 2007 - 1:43 PM
      Yes, lucky malfunction...

      It's so funny how everyone assumes going MTF is also physical disadvantage. NOT true.

      I always relied on speed and quickness, not power anyway. Less body strength now, but i'm more flexible and faster again on my feet more like i was in high school. Especially being a lefty with a one-handed backhand in tennis, with my shoulders now much looser and with speed i can get to balls out wide to hit back in the court the guys can only dream of...

      Similarly, in indoor soccer the guys told me i was now a weak little girlie, then i smoked them with four goals in one game, they can eat their hearts out! :p

      And i highly agree with you generally about finding hapiness. I'm a very goal-oriented person. While i had to "detour" from the rest of my life pretty much for a year to get thru the roughest part of transition, now i'm more focused and driven than ever as i know what i want in life.

      I now see being trans as giving me something unusual i can use to my advantage as far as career....writing e-books on transiton and self-help, college speaking (they have student fee $$ to pay you!), etc.

      With having been on both sides of the gender divide, so to speak, i've had several women ask me already for advice on how to deal with their boyfriends. I should become a dating coach or something too...

      So yup, there are certainly advantages to going through the hassle of transitioning! :)
  • Bob
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    Re: Gender Pill

    Thu, December 20, 2007 - 8:30 PM
    I guess I've got a couple questions. First of all while this pill might or might not make transitioning necessary would it make me passable? Secondly, would it change my orientation? If it did the former I don't think it would make that much difference. I could remain pretty much intact. If it changed my orientation, I think transtioning would be much more convienent. I don't know...

    Bob
    • Re: Gender Pill

      Sun, December 23, 2007 - 12:32 PM
      I don't understand what you mean by if it would make you more passable. What i posed was not a transition pill, rather a pill that would make someone believe their gender matched their body, without any transition.

      I think orientation is not directly relevant to what i posed, though to give you an answer: no, it wouldn't change your orientation, wouldn't change *anything* else about you except make your mind and emotions match your body, instead of the other way around like with transition.

      Hope that helps.
  • Re: Gender Pill

    Fri, December 21, 2007 - 4:19 PM
    "So if scientists one day managed to come up with a pill that could make your gender the same as your body (rather than a sex change), would you take it..."

    The short answer is, NO.

    "....or transition anyway (for those that would consider transition)."

    I think we are always in transition -- actually that is *all* of us, trans or not. Life is about transitions. We change. Moment to moment, we are born we evolve and grow, and we pass into a new form. I'd be wary of any pill that will prevent us from transitioning, to "fix" us, whether it be a pill such as you describe, pills to repress our natural life transitions (e.g., for born women, menopause, or the equal for male born persons), or anything else to take away the tensions that motivate us as human beings to evolve and grow, even when those tensions are indeed at times painful.

    It is not easy to be transgendered, transsexual, two-spirit or third gendered. But... it is also important, as in healing ourselves, in finding our unique wholeness or center of gravity, we are helping to heal the world.
  • Re: Gender Pill

    Fri, December 21, 2007 - 4:23 PM
    And now the lighter answer is: what? They'd give me a pill to make me like football instead of belly dancing? FORGET ABOUT IT!!! NO WAY!

    LOL
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      Re: Gender Pill

      Sun, December 23, 2007 - 2:25 PM
      why can't you love both? We are a football loving household of all women here. In fact, time to go watch the saints!
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    Re: Gender Pill

    Sun, December 23, 2007 - 8:25 AM
    I've already transitioned so the point is moot.

    If you asked me this in the early phases of my discovery I would have said yes.

    If you asked me now I'd say no. While this road has not been easy and often been unpleasant, the growth I've experienced as a person, the strength of will, the knowledge of being able to do absolutely anything I decide to has been instrumental in my success. If I had to learn those lessons through other paths I might be a weaker person. Trade-offs, occasional comments (i live in the bay area, passing is hard, though it's very easy in the south or mid-west), mild agoraphobia, stunted social development that is slowly getting better... these are mild compared to the benefits.
    • Re: Gender Pill

      Mon, December 24, 2007 - 12:13 PM
      Yes, transition is definitely character building. Of course, so was my father's suicide a couple of years prior, which was my wake up call to realize life is too short not to get on with it.
  • Re: Gender Pill

    Sun, December 23, 2007 - 1:49 PM
    I do take such pills...they are called estrogen and t-blockers. Ha!
    • Re: Gender Pill

      Sun, December 23, 2007 - 7:39 PM
      have you EVER had an interest i sex? i was wondering about that, and now that i see your post, it occurs to me that the T-blockers might ahve something to do with that, i dont konw if you miss it or not, if youre happy as is, than by all means keep doing what youre doin, just thinking if you DID miss it or wanted a change the T-blockers might be responsible for lack of sexual interest.
      • Re: Gender Pill

        Sun, December 23, 2007 - 10:52 PM
        It is totally the T-blockers. I used to be a sex addict. I have put myself in sooooo many dangerous situations because of sex, I am relieved that it is not a nuisance anymore.
        • Re: Gender Pill

          Mon, December 24, 2007 - 6:59 AM
          well that good, glad to hear your not plagued by nymphomania, i can somewhat sympathize, i was briefly obsessed with sex, spent a year abstaining, by choice, didnt know at the time about using t-blockers,woke me up quite a bit, got to see just how bad i had become, what a slave i was to my urges. It was pretty humiliating, or rather HUMBLING. got to know women a lot better and learned how to value their company for other than just sex, id always seen women as more than that, but my obsession sort of blinded me for a while. was glad to learn i had the choice to not be so chained to my obsession.
          Good for you, Magdelyn.Hope it continuies to work well for you.
          • Re: Gender Pill

            Mon, December 24, 2007 - 12:18 PM
            I used to have all sorts of sexual fantasies about ending up in the body of female friends or becoming a woman generally. I'm so relieved i'm now becoming one so the related silly urges are gone, wheh!
            • D J
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              Re: Gender Pill

              Thu, January 24, 2008 - 8:52 PM
              I can relate to the transfer into the form of choice, versus the sexual fantasy, afterall our brain is the greatest 'sex' organ is it not??
              I did explain to a very close female friend the very same thing this past September of 2007, we have been very good friends for close to
              20 years now. No sexual level was shared ever; some lifetimes it is just good to know you do share a very special kinship with some
              people to help you along the path of life... I often wonder how she would react in a manly body which expresses her 'male like' energy
              while I occupied her female form expressing my 'female like' energy. Got a Leo - Libra connection here..

              I would welcome this 'pill' if it were a reality. Some days the brain / the essence of self wants out of the body it is housed in for the needed frredom....
  • Re: Gender Pill

    Thu, January 24, 2008 - 10:39 PM
    <<If scientists one day managed to come up with a pill that could make your gender the same as your body (rather than a sex change), would you take it or transition anyway>>

    So you are asking, if there were a pill to make you NOT transgendered, to change your mind to match your birth sex (vs transitioning to do the opposite)??
    Absolutely not. But of course I'm going to say that, because I've identified as a transsexual since my earliest memories (I was aware of the word "transsexual" and exactly what it meant, by about age 7 or 8, always identified as "a boy" prior to that, and was trying to research srs by age 12). I don't know anything about what it's like to feel "female"...except as I hear about it from women, and from what I know about socialization and how women seem to function and are treated, in society. But that's all external--- I have no personal experience with "feeling female". So no, as hellish as pre-transition years were (nearly intolerable), I would still choose that...because I can't imagine actually identifying as a woman.
    If you ask "would you take a pill to make you a born-male" (vs an FTM transsexual)....still no.
    It would be easier, but still "not me".
    If I had been born a male, I'm sure I'd be a part-time crossdresser (MTF) anyway, so as queer as my hardwiring is, I don't think I was meant to live any sort of mainstream gender life this time around.
    ;)
    • Re: Gender Pill

      Thu, April 3, 2008 - 10:15 PM
      In a biochem class one we discussed gene therapy, theoretically deliverable by pill or injection. The topic of replacing whole chromosomes came up and was postulated what would happen if you replaced a Y for an X. The intricacies involved took up most of the class.
      Generally it was decided that if gene therapy was done at an early enough age and in conjunction with growth factors/inhibitors it might be possible to change the existing morphology (body parts).

      Assuming that such a genetic and morphologic change was possible it would still take years to fully manifest and the changes to body would be substantial and potentially awkward if not difficult has parts of tissues expressed and responded one why while the others adopted the new form.

      Such a lengthy morphologic change would certainly be considered a transition even if the outcome was complete mind, body and genome unity.
  • Nic
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    Re: Gender Pill

    Sun, June 15, 2008 - 5:20 AM
    This is a very tough question, actually. Although I've learnt a lot from being gender variant - seeing society from a whole different perspective and being more compassionate, I'd probably still take the pill. I'd want to be completely female and not just feminine from the outside. I could never transition because I don't think sex change surgery could ever achieve this...sorry.
    I just want to explain, that by completely female I mean with a uterus and ovaries. The fact that I could at least have the means to be mother would be very important to me.
    This is my own very personal and singular view on things and I can quite understand if others find it weird.


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