Maybe they are having doubts about their orientation. They could be questioning why they are gay in the first place...society issues such as people wanting the gay culture to continue could be why they are gay. Their conversation sounds a bit silly, perhaps this is because they are more into people watching rather than developing their character.

Because gender issues are at the root of sexual discrimination.

For the most part I haven't felt at home in the gay community, most of my friends are what a kindly think of as being part of the "queer" community or are straight. I actually think it's a fairly common thing in the gay community. I'm guessing it has something to do with their sexual confusion and the recent history of the transgender community. Like sibling rivalry, the gay guys are getting their rights and independence while us youngins are getting all the attention and threatening the world they knew without us. Also, don't take it too hard, my roommate was a lesbian GG, and people played the guessing game about her too.

...because they're insecure.

and i think if we always wear makeup, i must not be part of "we". :)

(not that there's anything wrong with that. most of the cisgendered women i know wear more makeup than any of the trans women i know)

I tend to respond to crap like that with a nice loud
"As I'm not gonna be fucking ANY of you, why do you care?"

First the T is in LBGT is because the "REAL" LGBT community accepts us as we are. Are those 6 sissies saying they are gay to talk shit?
Personally this former sailor would like to take them on a Med cruise then dump them off in Amsterdam.

More than likely they were jealous (at least one of them was which is why he commented on how big and luscious your butt is) this could be a classic deep seated desire (erotic desire) that manifests itself as immature behavior, you know, like the little boy that picks on the little girl because he doesn't know how to act like he's got the common sense and say hi what's your name...plain and simple. Of course the others are the followers and don't think for themselves, they just follow the idiot leader, because they are mindless. And to think we support their right to marry but it's hard for them to show respect for others that are different from them...hmmm.

Perhaps the "T" is included in LGBT because all of these cultural subsets are oppressed minorities ....

And about your encounter ..... based on the your profile photos, I'm surprized that people clock you or hassle you at all ..

My 2 cents ...

Elaine

Many gay guys (from my experience) tend to be women-haters, and this may be why they were hassling you .. Basically they read you as female however wanted to find a way to piss you off ...

A lez friend and I crashed a gay bar in santa clara called "tinkers damn" one time .. and some idiot guy emptied a glass of beer into my handbag when I wasn't looking ...

Elaine

i can't explain their behavior, but i am terribly sorry that happened and ashamed it was our own community.

It's interesting: Yesterday, it all clicked for me.

I have been gender fluid my entire life. And within the gay community, it was ok when I was younger. But I am 33 and now, now that it seems like not a phase, now...

It clicked... the reason why I am so unhappy with all things gay is because I am not gay. I am trans. Before, it was like a marker, taking up space, an answer, but the meaning of it...

Talked to a friend, an old friend, a gay male friend who is still having an eating disorder even if he isn't doing the eating disorder part. Crotchety is the word. He tells me he met someone, whom he might love, but the beloved told him that there's been some consideration re: transitioning.

Listening to him "be honest" was hard enough, but I am in the position to educate and indirectly serve a sisbro, yeah? But the offensive shit that kept coming out of his mouth... when I tried to counter it, I was accused of being "thin-skinned".

In the aftermath, it clicked and resonated loud and clear.... I'm not like them. And I wonder why I don't have any friends! Well, it's because I keep thinking it's the only community that will have me although there's a whole community for me that I feel all butt shy about.

I have been living in the wilds amongst all these cisgendered people for years... until 20, trying to play along with them until I found other people like me... and then the popular wave hit and gender fluid people, I felt, were cast out because to be "real" you had to still hope to achieve that side or this...

Yesterday, I realized that for 13 years, I have stood in my own way with all of my out-dated beliefs... I'm not gay. That's why being in gay spaces feels as self-negating as het spaces.

I know why the T is in TLBG, but I think it might be time to start really thinking about our needs. How we are different. How we can build community with each other so all their bullshit...

... has the term "cisgenderist" been coined?

I dunno. I am feeling some real... frustration.

We cannot expect gay men to understand because they are gay. I dunno about you folks, but I figured that one out long time ago. See, gay is ok as long as one is still doing the whole masculine thing, signaling that they are still attached to patriarchy. It's the same shit as on the playground. In order to build self-confidence in their own unstable masculinity, they have to pay homage to the patriarchal gods by saying shit behind your back. Six of them, one of you... and besides, being gay doesn't mean other forms of operating oppression don't lurk around... as a person of color... I know that one in spades.

But yeah, I am really feeling you here. And I know you are fucking getting sick of it because I am sick of it, too. (Fine have an opinion, but can you keep it to your fucking self?!) But I am glad it happened because I feel better knowing someone else gets it.

I've experienced similar things, too.
I must agree with much of what has been said already; but
a few things to add...
1) We were out first. It was Trannies (into chicks, and into guys)
who were primarily the ones abused at stonewall. The rest came later.
2) We *ARE* different. Unfortunately, as I've had to say repeatedly,
as shocking as it is, given the crap THEY'VE been thru,
many people who've been abused DON'T "get it"
on a 'global' scale. They think it's wrong for THEIR
group to be abused, but don't get that abuse is abuse and it's
ALL wrong, period.
Sadly, even within the gay community, the same kind
of intolerance and ignorance exists with alot more
regularity than we'd like to believe.
I lived with a group of Lesbians for a couple of years
(actually, MY name was on the lease, so, technically,
they lived with me), and I heard alot of surprising stuff from
some of them...men loving men is discusting,
but it's beautiful and wonderful when a woman loves a woman
I've heard gay guys put down trannies and fat people, and lesbians.
"All lesbians are bitchy male haters" (true for a SEGMENT,
not true of all)
Even among the lesbians who lived with me, some could not understand,
and showed the exact same ignorance, despite my guidance,
why I could'nt just be a "normal hetero guy"
Once, in a bitchy mood, I said "Why can't YOU just settle down with a nice guy?"
they looked perplexed, like I was speaking a foriegn language.
3) THEY DONT UNDERSTAND
It's hard for others who do not face intersex or trans
to understand us. We, as another has said,
are a "unique lifeform". They don't understand.
It was'nt until *I* made the journey of understanding the truth
about who and what I am before I understood why
other people are so passionate about who THEY are.
Being open to and understanding your own sexual identity
is hard, but some people cannot break away from the singular "me"
and exclusively emotional perspective of this enough to
try to understand another. It's why they don't get us...
We're so alien from their own EMOTIONAL perspective
of who THEY are that they just can't comprehend a lifeform
such as us. It's a cryptic alien language that just doesn't
fit into their brain...and sadly, sometimes, not even within their heart.
4) They, themselves are having problems with their own
unique minority existence.... leading to self hatred, which they
fr4eely spread inside themselves and freely distribute around the
community in general... misery loves company I'm feeling crappy,
and I won't LET you go on living YOUR life without taking some of MY
crap WITH you.
Then, there's always issues of insecurity, age, loss of beauty,
and general PMS-grade bitchyness that in general seems to be
so pervasive within the wider community.
I'm going to assume it was probbably older guys, and less likely
that it was younger. If they were younger, then they're probably
preppie elitist scum.

and where we are in LGBT... says alot.
We're lower than those freaky Bis.

I agree with the fact that as a segment, we need to
create our own little subgroup, because we ARE
different.
So... where do we meet, and whose going to bring the potroast?