Coming out

topic posted Thu, December 8, 2005 - 8:23 AM by  Diane
Well its been nearly a year since I first started coming out. I came out to a couple of my friends of four years at the beginning of the semester and haven't talked to them since, not from a lack of trying though. I found a group of dykes I'm comfortable around a few weeks ago, and I've come out to them (though I don't think they all get it). There was a QSA dance last weekend and I was talking to a gay guy, and came out to him since he referrenced me being gay. He apologized and danced off, even though I thought we were having a good conversation. Yesterday he avoided me when I was getting lunch, so that was kinda weird. I'm struggling with carefully being out to people (since its apparent that its not safe where I am, or at this stage in my life). Then dealing with being unmistakably a GUY, even though I don't identify that way at all. Girls flirt with me thinking I'm gay, and I feel bad because I like them but I know they don't love guys, guys hit on me and I feel bad because I don't like them. Its strange having to come out at a queer group. Its frustrating listening to guys warn each other about girls in other countries because they "may be guys". Seeing them get a sick look on their face when they talk about a kid at their school transitioning, then listening to yet another person comment on his lesbian friends while being disgusted by gay men. I still need to come out to my family, and some of the people in my extended group of friends. I've been away at school so I decided to wait till I'm home, with a good support group. I often wonder how I can make this work out.
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Diane
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    Re: Coming out

    Thu, December 8, 2005 - 1:47 PM
    Hang in there Sweetie.You are still very young and have plenty of time to work things out.I hope your family supports you and remembers you for what is inside and doesn't care how you look outside.

    roxx
  • Re: Coming out

    Thu, December 8, 2005 - 1:52 PM
    Hi Diane.

    I totally get your concerns about coming out. And... It really is an ongoing thing. Coming out is important to ourselves, for our own sense of being true to who we are and in integrity in our relationships and dealings with others, but...yeah, it doesn't necessarily make us safer or more comfortable. It's been a long tough road for me finding community I can be 'out' with.

    I've been "actively trans" for about 5 years now, living kinda genderqueer for the first few years, and the last 2 years I've been living full time as a woman. I've been on hormones for almost a year now. And... it's a *Practice*. Every day there's some gender issue for me to deal with. sometimes its entirely internal, that is, the other person has no idea the stir I've gone through with their casual reference to me as 'sir' (or even 'ma'am' in a negative context). And yet, I must persist because I *am* who I *am*.

    Some days I just give up, and I'll casually "pass" (as a woman) without thinking about it, waltzing through my day like any other woman. And then I've had days where I'm intentionally boyish and have had people call me 'miss' anyway, or I'll be all dolled up in skirts and scarves and someone will give me that look of horror that implies they've identified me as some *THING* outside their worldview. (I always feel like that moment of hopelessness at the end of "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" when Donald Sutherland ID's the 'human' with that horrid screeching noise and that look of "You're an *OTHER*!" on his face.)

    Sometimes I'm just annoyed at the cluelessness of the casual observer. And then there are the shock moments where I've become myself in my heart and my community and I'm just not thinking about all that, and then, for example, I sleepily open my own front door this morning, all braless and visibly nipply through my T-shirt, and the delivery guy asks me as I sign for the package, "Can I have your first and last name, sir?" On my own goddamn doorstep. Is it worth it to me to "educate" this person, to assert my true Goddess nature to this clueless Cretin? Oh, hell no. He's just doing his job and reading Goddess-only-knows what gender cues without thinking. He wants a signature and to be gone. I give it to him and he goes. But does it bug me? Oh, hell yeah. And I'm sure later today, just as casually, somebody will call me ma'am, reading other gender cues put in place by my daily preparation to meet the world.

    Fortunately, I also have great community here in Portland, and I am active in the queer community, which, it seems to me is far more trans-friendly here than anyplace else I've lived (except maybe Santa Cruz, California, where I just moved from.) And tonight I'm going to my second practice with an all-female (lesbian) band that has (counting me) not one, but *two* transdykes in it. And I mention that here because when I came out to them, their reaction was, "...Okay. But can you *play* those keyboards?" It was a bit odd, but kinda nice for it to be such a non-issue. (And, oh, yeah, babies, I can play those keys!)

    Peace & Light to you Diane.
    It may not be an easy path, but it is who we are.
    I wish you the best on your journey.

    Hugs,
    ~Jessa~
    • Re: Coming out

      Thu, December 8, 2005 - 2:58 PM
      Hon
      Like Roxxie said you are young still. Time is on your side.
      Like Jessa said it is an on going thing.
      You will have ups and downs, but you are not a lone. There are others like you, me, Jessa, Roxxie who alos have gone and are going through it.
      We all want to just be accepted, but even in a "straight society" not all people are accepted by all others.
      Don't beat yourself up over this and don't let others do it to you either. It is part of life for all.
      Hugs Kay
  • Re: Coming out

    Thu, December 8, 2005 - 6:18 PM
    Thanks everyone. Time sure doesn't seem on my side, at least when I look the mirror or feel my face, or towering over my friends.
    • Re: Coming out

      Fri, December 9, 2005 - 12:44 AM
      Diane:
      > Thanks everyone.
      > Time sure doesn't seem on my side,

      Ah, but the Time really is there.
      Your profile sez you're 22. Pffft!
      I'm old enough to be your mother, dear,
      and I literally only started my hormones
      just last March (yes, 2005).

      > at least when I look the mirror or feel my face,

      I felt that way for far too long. Decades, really.
      But in 8 months the change has been phenomenal.
      Really. Today, mirrors are what save me. When
      I'm feelin' all funky and then I'll walk by a mirror
      and... oh! *Jessa* looks back at me. Ah, yes.
      It really is working. Granted, a lot of the working
      is that I'm *doing* it. I move differently, I talk
      differently, but, yes, there's definitely a shift in my
      center of gravity. ;-) And just for the record, I
      still have to shave, and whoa, isn't *that* a tranny
      experience to shave in my bra. <grin> And yet,
      I casually pass these days. A lot of it will be how
      *you* do it. (If that's what you choose.)

      > or towering over my friends.

      <grinning again> I've been sitting in with this all
      female lesbian band that I might join, and the
      bass player is also mtf transgender, and she is
      tall and sooooo cute! So sweetly femme. So tall
      isn't necessarily a turn-off for anyone.

      For that matter, my girlfriend is taller than I am
      and she's a bio-grrl. It's all a matter of getting
      some new perspective.
    • Re: Coming out

      Fri, December 16, 2005 - 7:29 PM
      My biggest piece of advice that I can give to you, is to not adopt other people's problems. Your transition is going to be a unique thing; you'll skate through somethings and get stuck on something else. Worry about things that are real. That guy you mentioned is probably embarassed, and that's why he's shied away. Put yourself in his shoes. Anyway, don't imagine up a storm, either because your imagination can be much more scary than reality.
  • Re: Coming out

    Fri, December 16, 2005 - 1:20 AM
    Diane,

    The first thing you need to do is get to a safe place where you can come out and be yourself all the time. Seriously. It's going to be very hard until you can find a way to make that happen. I know it's frustrating having people react to you as a guy but until they percieve you as a woman that's going to continue. Socialization runs Deep.

    Gay men and women, espcially college age and younger, are extremely likely to 'not get it.' They're just coming into themselves also, and transgendered people are, for many of them, a threat to their new identities. I would suspect this is the case with the man you were talking to who then avoided you the next day.

    i'm guessing that since you're twenty-two, you will shortly be leaving college. Plan your next move very carefully. Investigate the resources that will and will not be available to you in the area. For instance, the middle of South Dakota is a bad place to transition.

    Personally, I found coming out to people worked out best by hitting them over the head with a hammer. I was out to very, very few people before I went full time, and now I'm out to everyone, which happened because I went full time and people had no choice but to deal with it. That method isn't for everyone.

    Good luck,

    Susan
  • Re: Coming out

    Sun, December 18, 2005 - 12:35 AM
    I just want to say thanks again for the advice. So that boy, yeah he is from the same as town as me and we flew home togeather. Hung out at the airport mall for a while and he seemed fine. I just had to deal with my issues being fairly closeted while being with a guy who definatly out. I think I was able to give him some perspective about why so many people are in the closet at my school, "even though most people don't care". Basically I mentioned that for a lot of people "the good ol boys" are their only "friends", and when you hang out with them all the time listening to them talk about queers it really does seem like everyone cares, because everyone who matters cares. I also mentioned that it would be a lot easier if these people had another group of friends to turn to. It makes sense to me, he hangs out with people who are secure, he was out when he came to college. Making that transition, even to being out as gay is risky.

    And one other thing, he totally makes me feel like a guy (he's very femme and has a thing for heels), its kinda funny. So anyways I just thought it was funny that after that we ended up spending the day togeather, and just talk like people do.

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