Im trans... MTF...
Im wanting to start hormones.. but im scared a few things may happen..
First off.. and i know some may hate what i will say.. but i have no plans for SRS.. i see it as mutilation... as much as i feel like and need to be a woman.. i can not see myself letting someone change that part of me.
Second.. i have been male far too long... and i like the genitals i have and how they work.. i understand them.. and im happy to have what i have..
I do not want it to turn useless if i start hormones...i just want the female apearance i crave... and i know i should have to begin with.. im worried also about the blood clots and heart problems.. but their is not a Dr i can see.. where i live the Drs are worried about their reputations.. so they wont help me..
Im not sure what to do.. not to mention im on SSDI.. and living out in the middle of redneck USA bum fudged egypt in the sticks.. where if you do what i plan to do then your going aginst gods will.. plus i live with my father and he has no clue.. my mother knows.. in fact her entire side of the family knows.. and understand but they all live in another state up north...
If my father found out.. he would have a heart attack... and im already 27.. its like too late im scared.. and if i start hormones.. ill not be very atractive and no one will want me for the rest of my life.....
So.. im not sure what to do.. or what im doing..
Any advice?
A point in a good direction would be good...
Im wanting to start hormones.. but im scared a few things may happen..
First off.. and i know some may hate what i will say.. but i have no plans for SRS.. i see it as mutilation... as much as i feel like and need to be a woman.. i can not see myself letting someone change that part of me.
Second.. i have been male far too long... and i like the genitals i have and how they work.. i understand them.. and im happy to have what i have..
I do not want it to turn useless if i start hormones...i just want the female apearance i crave... and i know i should have to begin with.. im worried also about the blood clots and heart problems.. but their is not a Dr i can see.. where i live the Drs are worried about their reputations.. so they wont help me..
Im not sure what to do.. not to mention im on SSDI.. and living out in the middle of redneck USA bum fudged egypt in the sticks.. where if you do what i plan to do then your going aginst gods will.. plus i live with my father and he has no clue.. my mother knows.. in fact her entire side of the family knows.. and understand but they all live in another state up north...
If my father found out.. he would have a heart attack... and im already 27.. its like too late im scared.. and if i start hormones.. ill not be very atractive and no one will want me for the rest of my life.....
So.. im not sure what to do.. or what im doing..
Any advice?
A point in a good direction would be good...
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Sun, April 6, 2008 - 6:50 PM"no plans for SRS"
From everything I know this is not at all uncommon.
"I do not want it to turn useless if i start hormones"
That hasn't been my experience. I think it depends on the particular hormones you take, maybe you can do a phone consultation with a doctor?
Blood clots, and heart problems are certainly something to be concerned about. Perhaps you could get them to checkups for that, I mean that would seem exceptionally unethical not to.
SSDI? Do you mean SSRI? Once I was on hormones my depression got a lot better.
I'd recommend finding a counselor, sounds like a really rough place to be in, maybe the could help you work through some things. I live in bum fuck USA as well, I know of several therapists that are family or specialize in GLBT issues, don't be afraid to ask that directly.
Maybe you won't look very attractive to most people, a lot of people don't and they have no choice in the matter. Yes I want to look pretty, most people do, I just don't think it's a good basis for making decision, certainly not for transitioning.
"no one will want me for the rest of my life"
That's totally up to you. I haven't dated much since I started transitioning, mostly because I'm just starting to be comfortable with myself. Personally I didn't find the relationships I had before very comfortable so I don't feel like I've lost much. I have many more friends then I had before and am closer to them all because I feel better about myself -
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Sun, April 6, 2008 - 7:06 PMSSDI.. Social security dissability income... i cant really work cause of some other problems..
so i do not really have a lot of money to see a Dr for getting hormones.. and medicade does not pay for such things.. i would have to buy the hormones myself from someplace.. -
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Sun, April 6, 2008 - 8:24 PMIm very close to ordering some hormones online... im really scared though.. is their like a listing of therapists i can find and maybe call a therapist near me?
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Sun, April 6, 2008 - 9:21 PMwww.jillrader.com/Gendertherapy.html
www.lauras-playground.com/gende...ts.htm
Their are doctors that care everywhere.
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Mon, April 7, 2008 - 2:19 PMI know how you feel.I too live in a small town and was nervous about the hormones but You will be shocked that there are many doctors who will help you with the hormones thing.I am not going to get the surgery either.I am pretty happy with just hormones and just being myself..Its a personal choice if you go all the way with srs..i have talked to alot of transexuals who got the surgery and they were not very happy with it now.Because the sex part is so different..my soul is female and with that and the apperance of a woman thats enough for me..Money has allways been the issue for me..
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Mon, April 7, 2008 - 2:53 PMcourtesy would be just saying surgery is not for you, not calling it mutilation. There are people here who have surgery who wouldn't judge you for choosing differently, and would expect the same courtesy. -
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Mon, April 7, 2008 - 9:57 PMRelax. She thinks its mutilation. No big deal. I say, speak your mind. Anyway, I'm getting the surgery, one of these days. I hope. -
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Mon, April 7, 2008 - 10:09 PMSpeaking of mutilation, um whats going on with your face?! -
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Thu, April 10, 2008 - 8:59 PMDiane:
"Speaking of mutilation, um whats going on with your face?! "
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It is my inner beauty.
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Mon, April 7, 2008 - 11:10 PMI am relaxed, and I'm speaking my mind. It was unnecessary. You seem to be upset when the gay boys say unnecessary things to you, what makes this any different? -
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Thu, April 10, 2008 - 9:02 PMMerc...
"I am relaxed, and I'm speaking my mind. It was unnecessary. You seem to be upset when the gay boys say unnecessary things to you, what makes this any different?"
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The difference is, to point out the obvious, is no one is trying to insult, or even directly communicating with you. Cultivating your indignities, and then visiting them on people's casual comments is different then insulting someone behind their back.
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Tue, April 8, 2008 - 10:35 AMThe journey for each of us is to reach a place of integrity and wholeness of our body, mind, spirit, social role, and so forth. That place of integrity may differ for each of us (and its shape may change as we proceed along the road as well). From whay Liana said, in the whole of her post, I'd take that she feels that SRS *for her* would be a 'mutilation' of her underlying integrity. For others, such as your self and a fair number of other transsexuals, it is instead felt to be a necessary step on the journey, whether it be it a kind of completion (though I doubt any of us complete our journies, and in this I am not just speaking of us transgendered, but *all* human beings and the journey that is life), or an initiation into a re-newed life.
In that light, I'd sugest we take statements made in discussions such this at least implicitly as "I statements," speaking from one's own experiences and feelings, and not as general judgements for the rest of the tribe or the wider TG world.
Just my 1.786543... cents. Your change may vary. ;) -
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Tue, April 8, 2008 - 1:06 PMI understand what you're saying, and I absolutely respect each person's personal decisions. I don't like to sound like a prickly sensitive person, but you have to admit, mutilation is a very loaded term. I have personal responsibility to deal with my own reactions to such a word, which is why I am able to respect her choices, but I personally felt that the choice of words could have been better in a forum where the medium is the written word. As it's an open discussion, I felt free to express that in a non-attacking way. Hopefully it came off as that.
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Wed, April 9, 2008 - 11:05 AM"Sometimes I truly hate the online world as a medium for discussion. :)"
I know what you mean here, too. It is a difficult medium. It is not just that it limits to the written word, divorced of other cues such as tone of voice, body language, facial expressions, and so forth that would be part of spoken communication, but also encourages quick assimilation and fast response. By comparison more traditional forms of written expression grants one the opportunity to read, re-read, mull over what was said, and so forth, before responding mindfully. (I try myself, but am far from competency in it, let alone perfection!)
Anyway, nothing you said was attacking at all... I hoped to just offer in general a way to kind of defuse 'loaded' words by seeing them perhaps as strong words expressing strong sentiments on the part of the person expressing them, and let them at that... by assuming what anyone says is "IMHO" as it were... ;)
I like your description of being a "prickly sensitive person," BTW... often we have to develop a prickly exterior to protect a soft, sensitive inside. It brings to mind cacti, which have 'learned' one may say, or evolved, to do just that. ;)
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Thu, April 10, 2008 - 9:10 PMMercedes,
please forgive my bitch-E-ness. I am rather not myself these days.
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Wed, April 9, 2008 - 10:55 AMI'm not sure what part of Texas you live in, but if you're on the western side, maybe you can come up to Albuquerque NM. I go to a doctor here who is great. His name is Dr. Andru Ziwasimon. He will get your blood work done, and start you on hormones, and continue checking your blood for cholesterol and what not. He's not expensive. His office visit is $25, with a $1 card-slide fee. I had previous blood work from another doc, so I didn't need him to do my bloodwork; but I think that's like $7. He's confidential, and I don't think he files insurance so you don't have to worry about anything showing up officially. You do not need to be diagnosed with Gender Dysphoria in order for him to start you on hormones, he believes that's a bunch of hooey and not necessary to be diagnosed with a "mental disorder". If you want to talk more about this in private you can message me if you like. Granted I'm going the other way, FtM, but I'm willing to help. There is also a great support group up here. I go to it. It's safe, confidential, and fun. You can hang out with all of us, and if one of my fellow transmen is there, he has a great sense of humor that'll get you cracked up and calmed down in no time. You're more than welcome to visit if you like. We have people dropping in frequently from the surrounding little towns through out the state, from Roswell to Chama. Goodluck with whatever you decide! :)
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Thu, April 10, 2008 - 8:50 PMHi Liana. Well, first off, none of your post sounded "silly"...and as for "it may upset some people"....well, thank god we still have Free Speech, ya know? Sounded to me like you were just trying to be honest and speak your mind. Works for me.
On to your points and questions---- looks like you have gotten some good advice here so far. 27 is sooo NOT "too old". It just feels like that to you, now, because of your perspective. (20's can be hard---- lots of "I should have it all figured out by now" pressure). 27 is perfect. Surgery? Hey, if you don't need or want surgery, count your blessings. It saves you another $20,000+ and makes some parts of your life simpler. if it feels "like it would be mutilation" to you, then that's valid. I understood that to be your way of explaining WHY you do not want it (not just "it's not right for me" or "I don't want it"). Lots of transpeople choose not to have surgery. I'd advise also calling the nearest large city that has Gay/Lesbian/Trans services (doctors, therapists, a gay community center or hotline, etc etc) and asking if they know of a hormone doc who accepts Medicaid. And as Diane and others mentioned, try to find a trans-friendly therapist. If any city near you has a gay newspaper and/or "alternative paper" (you know, the little free ones you find in the kewl restaurants and businesses), pick those up and comb them for resources. Call anyone/any business that seems remotely connected to gay/trans healthcare and ask if they know therapists/doctors. (If there's an AIDS clinic near you, you can check there too---- they often know lots of great resources).
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Sun, April 13, 2008 - 6:48 PMty for all the advice and help.. im sorry if that word bothers anyone.. but its what comes to mind.. to me removing something is mutilation... its how it feels to me and thats the word that comes to mind in such a situation.. im sorry if it hurt anyones feelings.. to me it is mutilation.. and i do not think you have to have a vagina to be a woman.. this is the year 2008.. their is more to being a gender then your genitals.. im sorry really... its the word that comes to my mind..
Im moving to NC next month.. or so i hope. from there i hope to find some help.. i can move just anywhere.. it has to be with someone.. i can not afford to live alone.. im moving to NC cause my mom lives there.. in fact she is coming to get me.. i already started hormones on my own.. the Drs where i live all gave me the same response... we do not deal in that here.. or we do not do that here... they are all too worried about how it will make them look when i come in to have blood taken dressed in female clothes but obviously was born male.. or thats what someone told me. when they overheard me talking to a Dr and them saying they do not deal in it... god i hate texas... -
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Sun, April 13, 2008 - 6:57 PMSorry i mean to type.. i can't move just anywhere.
And like i said.. for me it would be mutilation.. most cosmetic sergery is mutilation to me... though i may have to get cosmetic sergery if my breasts do not get big enough.. i know its silly but i want breasts lol, to me their is nothing that screams woman more then nice breasts... lol.. sorry..
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Sun, April 13, 2008 - 7:17 PMWell actually its more of a rearrangement then removal. Did you think maybe people have the surgery not to "become a woman" but simply because they are severely discomforted with their birth sex. -
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Mon, April 14, 2008 - 8:08 PMDiane said "Did you think maybe people have the surgery not to "become a woman" but simply because they are severely discomforted with their birth sex."
Makes sense. Some people may not entirely relate to the idea of "becoming a woman" but they know they feel "wrong" with a penis, and "right" or "better" or "more like myself" etc without one. -
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Mon, April 14, 2008 - 8:45 PMSort of, I guess for me I don't see surgery as a turning point for me being a woman, but rather for being comfortable with my body. I mean I'm not trying to "become" someone more then any other person. Its a hard thing to describe. -
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Mon, April 14, 2008 - 9:22 PMI can absolutely relate Diane. I was at peace with my womanhood long before I had surgery. Surgery was simply a way to become more comfortable with what I was born with. It's easy to sensationalize surgery or make it into such a huge part of transition, particularly from the outside or at the beginning of someones trans explorations. I find the most important phases of my journey have been ones of spiritual growth and self-learning/exploration. They're often small changes in perception that create long-lasting positive change.
I also find it interesting (in a good way!) that everyone has been quite positive about the fact that not having surgery is a valid way to transition, even with the unfortunate use of mutilation as a descriptor for the surgery. So often there is pressure to get the operation, particularly sooner than later. It's nice to see that changing.
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Mon, April 14, 2008 - 10:27 PMIm comfy with my genitals... i have had them too long and i know how they work, lol.
The rest i need changed.. ill be happy when the rest has changed.
I'll Stop feeling depressed and ill stop feeling suicidal.. im sure of it.. antidepresants can only do so much, the rest you have to take into your own hands to be happy.. and i know this change will make me happy. -
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Mon, April 14, 2008 - 10:29 PMIm sorry if that hurt anyone to say that.. its just personaly i would feel like that.. thats all.
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Mon, April 14, 2008 - 10:30 PMI hope you find the peace you desire. Best of luck. -
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Tue, April 22, 2008 - 11:00 AMAs far as hormones, I'm actually taking an herbal formulation that works just as well as drug hormones. I have been on them for almost 8 months now and can tell they are working. Phyisically nothing yet, but my semen load has decreased a lot. The thing is you absolutely have to get your testosterone levels way down before any physical changes can take place. That alone can take up to a year, depending on how high your testosterone levels are to begin with. Once they start, they may come quite slow, as your body is only going to develope at the rate it wants to. You will only see quick, fast results if you are somewhat intersexed. There are quite a few tg's out there that are intersexed, and a lot don't know it. So when they see fast results, we wonder why we are not. High amounts of drug hormones will not speed up your transition. And don't forget, it takes natural born females 4 to 10 years to fully develope into women depending on they're genes. Of course they start young and are pretty much done by 21. They also do not have to overcome high levels testosterone.
I take the herbal formulation because there are no side effects. My skin is less oily and i do not wake up with the "morning wood" as nearly as often as I used to. My sex drive has dropped immensly, thanks Goddess. I too have no plans for SRS, as i like "Jingles", lol. -
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Transition Recommendations Without Spironolactone (or other conventional anti-androgens)
Tue, April 22, 2008 - 2:36 PMOne way to drop the T levels like a rock is to do the orchiectomy. I had problems with anti-androgens so went that route. Dr Becker (regional expert, is MTF) says the T levels drop to female level within 8 months, usually less after the surgery.
So if you don't want to deal with conventional medications not natural to the body nor wait for forever for herbal effects I recommend the following for MTFs to deal with the Benjamin Standars of Care (BSC):
1. Start estrogen immediately.
2. Start getting your facial hair removed.
3. As soon as you are passible enough, go female full-time.
4. Exactly one year later get deballed.
I know without the anti-androgen that passability is somewhat an issue. As Dr Becker pointed out, though, removing the facial hair, some softening of skin from the estrogen, and female dress/makeup should be enough to get by.
Some may consider this recommendation a bit much. It's not ideal, just what has to be done for the ass-covering docs for BSC.
PS-Had I been able to do the orchiectomy the *first* time there were medication problems and not wait 6 more months, I wouldn't have had to go through illness from a becoming a hormonal yo-yo, ~6-9 months of lost transition changes, and some harassment from temporarily falling out of passability. When I have time this summer, I am going to have a discussion with Dr Reid Vanderbergh (local FTM), who has some influence over changes to the BSC, about how the BSC completely failed me and needs revision at least for medical exceptions when the person is crystal clear on the desire to transition.
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Mon, April 28, 2008 - 9:46 AMWow, im different then you.. i actualy do not mind morning wood.. like i said.. i like my genitals and how they work, i do not want that to change.
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Mon, April 28, 2008 - 9:46 AMSorry that last comment was for Jae. -
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Mon, April 28, 2008 - 9:48 AMI like my sex drive... i dont want that to change.... im starting to have second thoughts about changing.. if changing means ill lose my sex drive and my genitals will shrink.. i cant go through with it.
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Mon, April 14, 2008 - 11:11 AMI'm from Okiehoma, so I can definitely relate!
I got the hell out of there as soon as it was feasible. Folks I've talked to from that part of the US have confirmed my opinion that for mental and physical health it's best to move somewhere more progressive.
"Back in the day" (circa ~1993) before Gender Identity "Disorder" appeared in the updated mental health manual, the college shrinks probably would have locked me up if I had told them how I really felt. Some such crap still happens, best to be safe when you get the kind of responses you have, especially at clinics.
Good luck!
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Tue, May 6, 2008 - 1:07 PMfirst things first, MOVE OUT!!!!! get your5 own placve work you ASS off to get out if you ahve to, but GET OUT!! then all else should take care of itself. youll find a way after that, just have to free your5self up enough to be able to do it.